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| posted by HKBloke 1111 days ago |
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I was wondering any anyone here ever got to the bottom of whether there is a legal way of having a live out DH. I recall reading somewhere that if you (the employer) pay the rent than it's OK.
Any ideas ?
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| posted by carang 1111 days ago |
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it used to be legal...however a few years ago, the gov't made it illegal. they did it at the same time that they decided to disallow helpers from driving, unless they were specified as drivers... i think that was when they also introduced the $9400 levy on foreign helpers.
their thinking is that all of these restrictions will make having a foreign helper less appealing to people and thereby boost employment of locals... only problem with this thinking is that many locals would not want to work as a helper.
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| posted by beer guy 1111 days ago |
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I believe only if they have p.r. status or are the spouse of a person with p.r. status.....
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| posted by carang 1111 days ago |
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yes, beer guy is right.. the only other exception is if you had a live-out helper before the new regulations were effected...
also, these regulations apply only to FOREIGN helpers...they do not apply to locals (ie PR's)
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| posted by Mango. 1111 days ago (edited 1110 days ago) |
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its simple. take a local girl, they are allowed to sleep at home.(any home)[:D]
almost always friendly and polite
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| posted by HKBloke 1110 days ago |
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I also recall hearing that if you have a reason why you need a live-out you can approach the immigration dept put fwd your case and get special dispensation. Anyone lese heard of this being successfully deployed ?
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| posted by Cool 1110 days ago |
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[quote]Originally posted by carang
they did it at the same time that they decided to disallow helpers from driving, unless they were specified as drivers...
Moving a little bit remote by next week I tend to buy a car and like to allow my DH the use of the car for our daily need's ( grocery, fresh market, maybe bring / pick me up from MTR Station ). Considering your post " this will be illegal " ???
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| posted by sabi 1110 days ago |
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Bloke,
Foreign DH contractors: It used to be ok if you paid the rent and said your place was too small, but I believe they have discontinued that practice and have become much stricter on illegal practices/employers breaking rule. Best to check with Immigration directly, always a pleasure to be served by their nice helpful staff.
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| posted by carang 1110 days ago |
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to cool> check with immigration to be on the safe side...
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| posted by HKBloke 1110 days ago |
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sabi - I will check, but it does beg the question who actually gained from the changes. As someone said above - are there actually any locals that WANT to be domestic helpers.
I for one don't know anyone that has a local DH. Aren't they a lot more expensive as well ??
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| posted by beer guy 1110 days ago |
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Local domestic helpers thru agencies charge between $50-$70 per hour whereas a live-in helper works out to about $7-10 per hour as a flat rate before extras
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| posted by The Cerne Abbas Giant 1110 days ago |
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Interesting. Why do you get HK$15/hour as a cleaner in the airport (Or McDonalds for that matter) but HK$50-70 to clean someone's house?
Watchu talkin' about Willis?
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| posted by beer guy 1110 days ago |
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don't know but that's the rate at the agencies, or so I'm told.....
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| posted by Mango. 1110 days ago |
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who pay 50-70$ for clean a house?[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
almost always friendly and polite
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| posted by seb 1110 days ago |
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I think many of the local helpers are willing to work for 15-25$ per hour
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| posted by sabi 1109 days ago |
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Many HK locals would and many still do, hire locals, those from sisterhoods who were loyal and knew the ways well. White tops and black trousers is one such group of women. There were many.
Some foreigners here I know have hired locals if they wanted their children to have Cantonese/Mandarin and especially if they have struck up a good relationship with someone. One family I know paid theirs about $7000 a month and that was about 10 years ago.
Some others hire locals whom they know by reference or personally, on a part-time basis. Not all the locals are hk or even Chinese - many are from SE Asia or Indian subcontinent who have stayed on here or married locals, so have a local id. I think one of the biggest hurdles for expats wanting to hire locals is the language barrier, and there is no incentive against breaking the law by hiring PT foreign DHs not contracted by them.
The price one negotiates depends on the circumstances of supply and demand. I have hired locals who worked for less than the going rate because she also worked in the same area and wanted to work more on her days and hours off the regular job. Also, a few times here and overseas, the helper took a liking to my kids or my family and preferred working for us.
Who benefitted from the change from being lax about the foreign DH sleeping out?
Probably complaints and the fact that those sleep out and rent as "bed-spacers" tend to crowd into small flats and often, into illegally-extended dwellings. Perhaps the pressure to crack down came from the pressures during the recent recession to make it easier for locals whom the government were training and helping, to find new jobs.
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