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| posted by yarkat 381 days ago |
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China Airlines plane from Taipei made an emergency landing at Kansai airport in Osaka, Japan late on Wednesday, Kyodo News said.
There were no reports of injuries in the incident, the report said.
The plane made the emergency landing because it was unable to land at its destination of Chubu airport in Aichi prefecture, it added.
On Monday, a China Airlines Boeing 737-800 passenger plane burst into flames after landing at Naha airport of southern Japan's Okinawa prefecture. No one was injured. Investigations showed that the fuel of the jet was already leaking when the plane was taxiing to the parking apron.
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| posted by Hannibal 381 days ago |
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| posted by smog 381 days ago (edited 381 days ago) |
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I don't immediately see what the problem is with this latest incident? It's hardly China Airlines' fault if an airport is closed because another plane is stuck on the runway. But it does seem strange that they have to declare an emergency for low fuel in these circumstances - they should have had enough on board to divert comfortably to their alternate.
But no, I would not fly with them unless it was more or less of life or death importance that I get somewhere and they were the only way to do so..
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| posted by migao 381 days ago |
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China Airlines has been notorious with accidents also in the past, the whisper after each one used to be that "yeah, they hire military pilots only - that's why". Dunno what's the story these dayz?
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| posted by Load Toad 381 days ago |
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It is well debated on PPrune web site in the past. The concern is ex military piilots, poor training, too much respect for elders even if they are not capable, poor c**kpit management. The usual culture within Chinese type companies for saving face rather than solving problems...
They were improving - I think they employed some quality pilots from around thew world and did more training / new planes etc but - I'd still never use them myself because I think they'll always return to type.
This last incident - well I'm not sure of the facts but I didn't think a divert should result in an emergency fuel situation....?
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| posted by Beer Boy 381 days ago |
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When the China Airlines flight crashed at Chek Lap Kok 5 or 6 years ago, killing 8 and 200 odd injured, wasn't the pilot Italian??? If memory serves me correctly.
On a by note, they are getting quite dab hands at painting out their logo on the planes after each "mishap"
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| posted by smog 381 days ago |
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quote:
Originally posted by Beer Boy
When the China Airlines flight crashed at Chek Lap Kok 5 or 6 years ago, killing 8 and 200 odd injured, wasn't the pilot Italian??? If memory serves me correctly.
On a by note, they are getting quite dab hands at painting out their logo on the planes after each "mishap"
Er, it killed 3 and didn't seriously injure very many (http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_details.cgi?date=08221999®=B-150&airline=China+Airlines). Yes the pilot was Italian. Every airline that has a crash paints its logo out as fast as possible to minimize bad publicity- nothing particular about CI there.
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| posted by Load Toad 381 days ago |
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They just get more practice at doing it.
It was Mandarin Airlines a subsidiary of CI. I wouldn't walk under their planes you'd get killed by summat falling off.
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| posted by yarkat 381 days ago |
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The following events are those involving at least one passenger death where the aircraft flight had a direct or indirect role. Excluded would be events where the only passengers killed were stowaways, hijackers, or saboteurs.
12 August 1970; China Airlines YS11; Taipei, Taiwan: The aircraft was on approach under conditions of heavy rain and low clouds when it struck a low ridge about 660 feet (200 meters) about one half mile (800 meters) from the runway. Two of the five crew members and 12 of the 26 passengers were killed.
21 November 1971; China Airlines Caravelle; near Penghu Islands, Formosa Strait between Taiwan and the PRC: The aircraft was believed to have been destroyed by an inflight explosion caused by a bomb. All 17 passengers and eight crew members were killed.
27 February 1980; China Airlines 707-300; Manila, Philippines: The crew executed a steep and unstabilized approach, touching down hard short of the runway and bouncing, eventually stopping on the runway after having the two outboard engines and parts of wing departing the aircraft. Two of the 122 passengers were killed.
16 August 1982; China Airlines 747; near Hong Kong: The aircraft encountered severe inflight turbulence. Two of the 292 passengers were killed.
16 February 1986; China Airlines 737-200; Pescadores Islands, Taiwan: The aircraft touched down on the runway but crashed during an attempted go around . All six passengers and seven crew members were killed.
26 October 1989; China Airlines 737-200; near Hualien, Taiwan: The crew was using an incorrect departure procedure and hit cloud shrouded high ground at 7000 feet (2130 meters). All seven crew members and 49 passengers were killed.
26 April 1994; China Airlines A300-600; Nagoya, Japan: Crew errors led to the aircraft stalling and crashing during approach. All 15 crew and 249 of the 264 passengers were killed.
16 February 1998; China Airlines A300-600; near Taipei, Taiwan: The aircraft crashed into a residential area short of the runway during its second landing attempt. The scheduled flight had been inbound from the island of Bali in Indonesia. The event occurred under conditions of darkness with rain and reduced visibility due to fog. All 15 crew and 182 passengers were killed. At least seven persons on the ground were also killed.
22 August 1999; China Airlines MD11; Hong Kong, China: The aircraft was landing in Hong Kong at night and during a storm after a flight from Bangkok. The aircraft struck the runway and came to rest upside down and on fire. All 15 crew members survived, but three of the 300 passengers were killed.
25 May 2002; China Airlines 747-200; near the Penghu Islands, Taiwan: The aircraft experienced an in-flight breakup and crashed into the sea about 20 minutes into a flight from Taipei to Hong Kong while the aircraft was just above 30,000 feet.. The impact area was in the Taiwan Straits near the Penghu Islands about 75 km (47 mi) from the coast of Taiwan. Apparently, there was no distress signal, emergency message, or other indication of any problem sent out prior to the event. Weather and flight conditions were normal, and no distress signal or other communication was received prior to the crash. The 19 crew members and 206 passengers were all killed.
The accident aircraft was the last 747-200 in passenger service with China Airlines and was to be sold to another carrier next month. According to Boeing, the aircraft was delivered to China Airlines in July 1979 and had accumulated approximately 21,180 landings and 64,394 flight hours. This nearly 22-year old aircraft was newer than similar models in the fleets of U.S. airlines. According to the FAA, the average age of Boeing 747-200 and 747-300 models in U.S. airline fleets at the time of this event was 24 years.
This was the 26th fatal event involving the Boeing 747. The next most recent 747 event was an October 2000 Singapore Airlines accident in Taipei that killed 79 passengers and four crew members. There have been several fatal events involving in-flight breakups, including the 1996 event involving TWA Flight 800 and a November 2001 fatal event involving an American Airlines Airbus A300 over New York City.
Previous in-flight breakups involving jet airliners have been due to varied causes, including a fuel tank explosion, severe weather or other atmospheric phenomena, bombs, missiles, and midair collisions.
Fatal 747 Series Events
20 August 2007; China Airlines 737-800; Naha, Japan: Shortly after landing at Naha on the island of Okinawa, the left engine caught fire and the crew initiated an emergency evacuation. Although the aircraft was destroyed by fire, all 157 passengers (including two toddlers) and eight crew members survived. Because this event did not result in a passenger death, it does not constitute a fatal event as defined by AirSafe.com.
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| posted by Beer Boy 381 days ago (edited 381 days ago) |
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I said injured.... nothing about seriously mentioned... and I only quoted those numbers as the local news channels here were using them the night of the engine blow up in Okinawa
And again "getting quite a dab hand" doesn't imply any malpractise, or "particular" in my understanding of English. Maybe to others it has???
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| posted by adfundum 381 days ago |
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SCMP:
China Airlines painted over the company logo on a stricken Boeing 737-800 a day after the plane burst into a ball of fire after landing on the Japanese island of Okinawa on Monday.
China Airlines official Yoko Kuroda confirmed in Tokyo the carrier whitened out the corporate logo late on Tuesday after gaining permission from Japanese authorities.
Asked why the work had been done, airline spokesman Johnson Sun Hung-wen said: "It is just a standard international practice." He declined to elaborate, while Lin Hsin-teh, deputy director of Taiwan's Civil Aeronautics Administration, said it was "understandable" such action had been taken.
Aviation officials said it was not the first time the airline had painted over its logo on an ill-fated plane, as it had done so after an accident in Hong Kong in 1999. A China Airlines MD-11 crashed on August 22, 1999 during a No8 signal for Typhoon Sam. Three people died and 200 were injured when the plane flipped and burst into flames as it landed. The officials said other international airlines had also carried out such work to avoid further damaging their image and scaring away potential travellers.
Japanese media speculated that the airline was trying to minimise the effect of constant footage from Naha airport, where investigators from three countries are sifting through the remains of the charred jet, from which all 165 passengers and crew fled to safety with seconds to spare.
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| posted by Beer Boy 381 days ago |
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fundy,
[rhetorical]does that report really, really, really say 200 injured? the same number I quoted earlier?[/rhetorical]
ahhh, but it is the SCuMP, and noone believes that....
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| posted by Load Toad 381 days ago |
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I just read on another sire a Mark Twain quote:
'He who fails to read a newspaper is uninformed; he who reads a newspaper is misinformed'.
A truer word....
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| posted by adfundum 381 days ago |
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quote:
Originally posted by Beer Boy
fundy,
[rhetorical]does that report really, really, really say 200 injured? the same number I quoted earlier?[/rhetorical]
ahhh, but it is the SCuMP, and noone believes that....
Yup, direct quote from SCMP, no argument intended...
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| posted by Load Toad 381 days ago |
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Apparently this latest 'emergency' wasn't a China Airlines emergency. There was an airport closure at the airport they were due to land on. They had to circle for a while hoping the runway would clear. It didn't. At a certain fuel state they asked to take the divert airfield to avoid a fuel emergency.
If that is the case - as usual - don't believe the press.
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| posted by Killer Tomato 381 days ago |
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seeing that i have no worrie to fly with anyone of them, its so much safer the driving a car still!
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| posted by Britney 381 days ago |
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I am Chinese. I will fly with them.
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| posted by adfundum 380 days ago |
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Irrelevant. I'm Dutch and won't fly KLM for love nor money.
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| posted by Load Toad 380 days ago |
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They are Taiwanese Britney.
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| posted by geraldo 380 days ago |
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Originally posted by Killer Tomato
seeing that i have no worrie to fly with anyone of them, its so much safer the driving a car still!
is it? I always thought the balance would be in favor of air traffic
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| posted by adfundum 380 days ago |
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Well, KT driving a car would be safer (for the rest of us) than KT piloting a plane, I'm sure... 
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