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| posted by Waterslang 1141 days ago |
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Yes Rachel, all this is very well, like in Christianity all also is very well as in any other religion all is very well.
All is very well on paper.
Religion imho, should be a personal experience, period. Once one starts to defend it publicly, action will get reaction.
And... humans all over the globe use it to cover up their lies. The "Holy See' does it. Islam is not worse, neither better. Fact.
Chewed and rechewed: Marx was right about the topic.
And thanks for the links. But am not going to read the stuff. I already get uneasy when someone uses the name of Gawd & Co. (Pbuh).
No offense.
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| posted by rachel_z 1141 days ago |
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Thats okay waterslang, I respect it and I respect your opinions.
No, I am not defending but seek for a better understanding of Islam because I see no harm in getting to know more about something, be it religion, country or any other issues. It is for our own personal learning and there is no harm in not being interested in gaining the knowledge of something either.
I also agree with you that it should be a personal experience, hence I do not preach. I only leave the links for those who are interested to know more but I am not forcing anyone to agree with me or any of what was written. The intention is to share, as the issue did came up in some of the threads.
No offence taken nor was it intended.
By the way, I have a high respect for Marx though I don't always agree with him. [:)]
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| posted by Waterslang 1141 days ago |
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Maybe you can agree with this quote:
"In America you can go on the air and kid the politicians, and the politicians can go on the air and kid the people."
(Marx, not Karl).
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| posted by rachel_z 1141 days ago |
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Definitely without a question!
Have you read the book True Lies on American Media by Guerilla News Network by the way? Its an interesting book...
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| posted by Waterslang 1141 days ago |
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So... then better go study in Euroland, if you absolutely want to go to Gweilo countries.
BTW, No, I didn't read that book.
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| posted by rachel_z 1141 days ago |
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Heh... yeah Parsons Design School has 2 campus.. one in Paris and one in NYC. It depends on my financial abilities though. Want to study in Euroland but I might not be able to afford.
Its the school that I am interested in, as well as to experience a differenc culture. Makes life more interesting.
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| posted by tinybear 1141 days ago (edited 1141 days ago) |
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Rach, the reality of the situation in Muslim society is the opposite of what you say it is:
"The thought and practice of Muslims have come lately to misrepresent most of the doctrinal and normative teachings of Islam on female affairs. The female is hardly ever religiously addressed except through the mediation of the male and as an addendum to him. In the fallen society of Muslims, women have little freedom to marry the person she likes, or to separate from a husband she loathes. Nor is she, as wife, entitled to full consultation and gracious companionship by her husband. In many cases she hardly enjoys an equal opportunity to earn and own property, or the full capacity to manage her property or to dispose thereof. All sorts of subterfuges are employed to deny her inheritance. Her role in private life has been reduced to that of a housewife chosen not for her personal merit, for she was denied the education or the opportunity to acquire merit, but for the merit of her menfolk.
In the domain of public life she is not allowed to make any original contribution to the promotion of the religious quality of life. Whenever she was allowed to work towards the material development of life that was likely to be in a context of exploitation or as mundane work with little spiritual satisfaction or significance.
The greatest injustice visited upon women, is their segregation and isolation from the general society. Sometimes the slightest aspect of her public appearance would be considered a form of obscene exhibitionism. Even her voice was bracketed in the same category. Her mere presence at a place where men are also present was considered shameful promiscuity. She was confined to her home in a manner prescribed in Islam only as a penal sanction for an act of adultery. She was so isolated on the pretext that she might devote herself exclusively to the care of her children and the service of her husband. But how could she qualify for attending to domestic family affairs or to the rearing of children in a satisfactory manner without being herself versed through education or experience, in the moral and functional culture of the wider society?
----Dr. Hassan Abdalla Al Turabi, "Women In Muslim Society"--------
Dr Hassan al-Turabi, based in Sudan, is one of the leading scholars of Islam. Equipped with traditional Islamic education from Sudan and a Ph.D from Sorbonne, he is among the unique few leaders-scholars of the Muslim world. He has served Sudan as Speaker of the parliament, Attorney General, Minister of Justice, Minister of Foreign Affairs, and Deputy Prime Minister.
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| posted by Waterslang 1141 days ago |
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TB,
It's all about power. In all societies. Don't know if you are religious or not.
If I was, I would not go into the proving that mine is better than his'/hers.
And as I'm not: Mine is better! Grin.
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| posted by rachel_z 1141 days ago |
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Well human beings are given the right of choice. I am just telling you about the Original Teachings, and not the situations nowadays. It is up to governments and men alike, to enforce what they think is right for their own gains. The ancient Arabic tradition of women being inferior has not been demolished in the hearts of the Arabs. In truth, that is a sin and its terrible that it has been seen as Islamic. However I cannot blame anyone for thinking so, as the media and those who has purposefully misinterpreted the teachings of Islam has poisoned us with an altered image of Islam. One cannot read the Quran without thinking and analysing the logic behind the teachings. The Quran is not like any other book. It is a book that is filled with logic upon thinking and if one who doesn't have a prior knowledge of the way of Islam, it is best that he or she studies it with a more knowledgeble individual.
Well think about it.. if it is a religion that treats women as second class citizens, why is it not being abolished already by the United Nations and why is it that people (men and women alike) are converting to Islam every year?
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| posted by tinybear 1141 days ago |
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I'm not religious and don't belong to any religion.
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| posted by tinybear 1141 days ago |
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In fact I think institutionalised religion is a dangerous thing.
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| posted by rachel_z 1141 days ago |
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I must also stress that I am not saying that Islam is superior to any other religions. Its just that there have been too many false accusations towards the religion and that suffocates the existence of the practicing Muslims. However I do know that I cannot change anyone's minds if they do not want to be changed so oh well... just a test from Allah maybe... anyway these research and readings are beneficial to me too as I have a better understanding of my own religion and hence strengthen my own faith so its okay if anyone else has any other 'negative' opinion about it. I don't really mind much.
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| posted by Waterslang 1141 days ago |
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About 'converting' Rachel.
Many more in the world (except in old Euroland) convert to Evangelical religions than to Islam. Open the SCMP and go to the ad pages about religion.
Scary it is. As seen in the "west" most who convert to Islam are a bit on the not so nice extreme side. Am not attacking here but giving daily facts.
Cat Stevens being maybe one exception. Lol.
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| posted by Waterslang 1141 days ago |
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TB,
In full agreement now.
*Ahem* [?]
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| posted by rachel_z 1141 days ago |
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Waterslang> LOL... well in Singapore and Malaysia, Islam and Christianity (not Catholic) have the highest number of converts in recent years... but they are not nasty people hehee... well, am I nasty? Maybe I should reflect abit... uh oh..
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| posted by Waterslang 1141 days ago |
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Hardly would call Malaysia, even Singapore the "West", Ma'am.
Yes, about S'pore, I do know about their funny thing to try to be more Western than the Westerners. Real funny.
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| posted by rachel_z 1141 days ago |
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Nono don't get me wrong. I am not refering to them as West.. just a general idea on the statistics of converts thats all.. sorry for not explaining it better.
Yeah you are right about Singapore. However many of us still maintain that we are Asians and we are definitely not more Western than the West. We have our own culture (I personally see it as culture) to be proud of, why should we embrace the West? I wonder...
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| posted by Waterslang 1141 days ago |
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What is that star for... HKBloke?
Enlisted in the army?
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| posted by rachel_z 1141 days ago |
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Oooohhh I have a star too! Have I just become an army general or what?
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| posted by HKBloke 1141 days ago |
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stars start after 50 posts and change colour as you go up. So does your title. Highest is 'Guru' currently set at 500 posts (i think). I can change the threasholds, colours and titles.
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