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| posted by Juno Watt 160 days ago |
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Ha ha, no, that wouldn't bother me at all.
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| posted by paenca 160 days ago (edited 160 days ago) |
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You're all a bit harsh on her, aren't you? I would be fuming too if I had spent money on an application with zero chance of acceptance.
US visa application?
I think even the US Immigration would've at least given the courtesy of a reply to your complaint/request. And this is really the problem we have with CIS. They corresponded with us until we requsted a fee refund upon learning the nil odds of acceptance.
Another difference that some of you fail to see is that most, if not all, of the applicants know of the slim chance being granted a U.S. visa or accepted to Harvard before submitting their applications, whereas we were not aware of the odds accepted to CIS. Like I said we otherwise would not have bothered with an application.
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| posted by HKBloke 160 days ago |
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I'm sure the application form said that the fee was non-refundable. For this reason I don't see why they would need to reply.
In fact i have never heard of a school application fee that was refundable. We have paid our fair share of these and i have always made sure that before i write the cheque i quantify the risk of not getting my money back simply by asking the school first.
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| posted by paenca 160 days ago |
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HKBloke, you have been sounding like a CIS spokesperson, care to share your relationship with the school?
Most western schools would make an exception and issue a refund given facts and circumstances. In my earlier discussion of the unfortunate mainland tourist, is he not entitled to a refund simply because the unethical merchant had a no-refund policy?
There is really no point arguing this anymore, particularly with a bunch of non-expat local folks who find it difficult to see it from our perspective. Are there no expats visiting this board, perhaps I have been wasting my time here.
Waiting to hear back from the International School Accreditation Board, will decide how to proceed next depending on their investigation result.
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| posted by Load Toad 160 days ago (edited 160 days ago) |
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Strewth - I'm now a local. Do I need to recant the fact I'm an expatolic or do I just get burned at the stake?
Maybe in future it's best just to agree with people even if I disagree with them.
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| posted by Juno Watt 160 days ago |
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This board ain't big enough for the number of bootleg locals showing their faces on this here thread. Move along, buster.
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| posted by HKBloke 160 days ago |
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Originally posted by paenca
HKBloke, you have been sounding like a CIS spokesperson, care to share your relationship with the school?
Most western schools would make an exception and issue a refund given facts and circumstances. In my earlier discussion of the unfortunate mainland tourist, is he not entitled to a refund simply because the unethical merchant had a no-refund policy?
There is really no point arguing this anymore, particularly with a bunch of non-expat local folks who find it difficult to see it from our perspective. Are there no expats visiting this board, perhaps I have been wasting my time here.
Waiting to hear back from the International School Accreditation Board, will decide how to proceed next depending on their investigation result.
I have no relationship whatsover with CIS however all three kids went to International schools and my wife works at one. You were wrong to pay your money over to ANY school and then think you are automatically entitled to a refund because your child wasn't accepted.
caveat emptor my friend.
Oh and by the it's not only expats who send their kids to the international schools.
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| posted by Load Toad 160 days ago |
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Most of the kids being 'local' and many of the rich parents register their kids as shortly after conception as practically possible.
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| posted by paenca 160 days ago |
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Originally posted by HKBloke
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Originally posted by paenca
HKBloke, you have been sounding like a CIS spokesperson, care to share your relationship with the school?
Most western schools would make an exception and issue a refund given facts and circumstances. In my earlier discussion of the unfortunate mainland tourist, is he not entitled to a refund simply because the unethical merchant had a no-refund policy?
There is really no point arguing this anymore, particularly with a bunch of non-expat local folks who find it difficult to see it from our perspective. Are there no expats visiting this board, perhaps I have been wasting my time here.
Waiting to hear back from the International School Accreditation Board, will decide how to proceed next depending on their investigation result.
I have no relationship whatsover with CIS however all three kids went to International schools and my wife works at one. You were wrong to pay your money over to ANY school and then think you are automatically entitled to a refund because your child wasn't accepted.
caveat emptor my friend.
Oh and by the it's not only expats who send their kids to the international schools.
Thanks, you just proved my points - 1. you are a stakeholder (your wife works at one) in this unethical practice of some of the international schools; and 2. I would bet more than 80% or 90% of the students at CIS are children of local Hong Kongers, who are accustomed to this practice and can care less about the pain of unaware and unsuspecting overseas expat parents. If the school can get away with ripping off foreigners by charging them application fees that benefit local children in the international schools, why not?
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| posted by Juno Watt 160 days ago |
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You're almost there, paenca, but HKBloke is also addicted to wasting vast sums of money, and paying for applications to international schools is a handy way of doing this. I think he applies for one a week. We're trying to get him to cut down.
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| posted by HKBloke 160 days ago |
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Originally posted by paenca
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Originally posted by HKBloke
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Originally posted by paenca
HKBloke, you have been sounding like a CIS spokesperson, care to share your relationship with the school?
Most western schools would make an exception and issue a refund given facts and circumstances. In my earlier discussion of the unfortunate mainland tourist, is he not entitled to a refund simply because the unethical merchant had a no-refund policy?
There is really no point arguing this anymore, particularly with a bunch of non-expat local folks who find it difficult to see it from our perspective. Are there no expats visiting this board, perhaps I have been wasting my time here.
Waiting to hear back from the International School Accreditation Board, will decide how to proceed next depending on their investigation result.
I have no relationship whatsover with CIS however all three kids went to International schools and my wife works at one. You were wrong to pay your money over to ANY school and then think you are automatically entitled to a refund because your child wasn't accepted.
caveat emptor my friend.
Oh and by the it's not only expats who send their kids to the international schools.
Thanks, you just proved my points - 1. you are a stakeholder (your wife works at one) in this unethical practice of some of the international schools; and 2. I would bet more than 80% or 90% of the students at CIS are children of local Hong Kongers, who are accustomed to this practice and can care less about the pain of unaware and unsuspecting overseas expat parents. If the school can get away with ripping off foreigners by charging them application fees that benefit local children in the international schools, why not?
The only point i proved is that you are wrong....again. I really would just calm down, lick your wounds and move on. You really have absolutely no idea how Hong Kong works.
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| posted by Load Toad 160 days ago |
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To 'unaware' and 'unsuspecting' you can consider adding 'unreasonable'.
Just maybe you should have asked first what the terms and conditions were. But by all means get a persecution complex and rant continually about how badly you have been treated. Obviously where you live everything revolves around you and for you.
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| posted by paenca 160 days ago (edited 160 days ago) |
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Originally posted by Load Toad
To 'unaware' and 'unsuspecting' you can consider adding 'unreasonable'.
Just maybe you should have asked first what the terms and conditions were. But by all means get a persecution complex and rant continually about how badly you have been treated. Obviously where you live everything revolves around you and for you.
I rather be all of these things than "unethical"...Oops my apologies, I forgot there is no such word "ethics" in a Hong Kong dictionary.
We already established how credible HKBloke's opinions are, what is your story? For someone who makes forum discussions a lifetime career (over 10,000 posts! are you kidding me?), what you have to say has got to be word of wisdom.
As for me, if you'd excuse me I do have a real full time job to attend to, so will have to say so long for now. Keep up the debate/attack/criticism as you are all helping greatly for the real but unsaid cause of my original post.
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| posted by jesswill 160 days ago (edited 160 days ago) |
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Paenca, I'm a little surprised by your complaints, where do you come from (as in where are you at the moment)? Problems with schools entrance are the same the world over not only in HK. Just on Friday I was having a similar conversation with one of the partners in my firm (in London) where she was telling me she was considering moving house because the secondary schools in her current area were terrible. So I said why not go private and she replied that even with a lot of money there was little chance her girls would get in because places are now so incredibly competitive (she was saying around 10 to 20 applications per place). However she will make the application and pay the fee because there is still a chance her daughter will get in.
It's like that all over Britain (and the same problem is now starting in France where people are actually buying or renting a flat or purely cheating so that their kids can attend a good school).
Like everywhere parents (local or expats) want the best for their kids and competition is now fierce from a very young age.
I don't think the application process is unethical as I'm quite sure that out of the hundreds applications that were made a few kids got in. This is what you pay for, a chance for your kids to get in.
Anyway it does make things a lot easier if your job helps you find a school place.
Good luck with it.
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| posted by bunthorne 160 days ago |
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If I'm reading correctly, we're talking about HK$1,750.00.
A quick whip round anybody?
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| posted by skinny 159 days ago (edited 159 days ago) |
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new poster with no location...... i still think it's a wind up.
paneca..... i was the "only" local who gave you a reply here, you can say i shouldn't hang around here giving you a reply, but i also worked in international school system before. no, i didn't work for CIS
international schools in big cities, like elite private schools, like Harvard... are all difficult to get in. and of all international schools, you chose the most competitive one to apply, and now you're upset that you're on wait-list and they don't do refund.
to get into an international school here takes a combination of efforts, RESEARCH, TIMING, and CONNECTIONS. try to come the summer right after SARS, i'm sure most schools would be giving you a red carpet welcome. at normal time, expat parents would call and ask us which wait-list line is the shortest BEFORE they decide which area they will actually live. if you are an expat and you have kids, that's what you do.
that was why i said in the first place, an experienced expat parent would have known to tackle schooling first before accepting an overseas offer. but if you were not experienced, now you've learned.
there are a lot of international schools here, besides the heavyweights CIS and HKIS. if you are really just looking for a placement for your kids in the meantime, you can take a look at other schools..... Japanese International School, Korean International School, Norwegian International School, Singapore International School..... etc, etc. Yes, they do exist and they provide classes taught in English.
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| posted by HKBloke 159 days ago |
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Oh dear skinny you have compromised yourself now. By admitting that in the past you worked for an international school you are now a 'stakeholder' for CIS. Yeah - i dont understand that either.
Personally I think 'panacea' is making the applications for the wrong person.
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| posted by skinny 159 days ago |
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Originally posted by paenca
I think even the US Immigration would've at least given the courtesy of a reply to your complaint/request.
that just shows how knowledgeable you are as an expat.
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| posted by Load Toad 159 days ago |
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I reckon it could be a wind up too as the pillock paenca isn't remotely interested in listening to any of the advice or modifying its views; only in protesting that they are right and we are wrong. I wonder if they've ever considered opening a coffee shop in Chungking Mansions?
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| posted by beer guy 159 days ago |
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paenca, like pointed out above, you have no idea how hong kong works, or doesn't...........
that said, if you are unfortunate enough to move here you will find out quickly.............
first there is at least a two tier pricing system........one for locals and a higher one for foreigners..........get used to it........
people here care about one thing and one thing only ......MONEY.......get used to it............
if you decide to move here you and your family will abandon all sense of logic, morals and decency, that's hong kong....
if you decide to do so .......then Welcome to Asia's Worldclassless Sh itty................
The above comments are personal and meant for comedic purposes only and in no way reflect the thoughts, ideas or other general lunacy of HKExpats Limited.
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