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| posted by bus aunty 71 days ago |
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Sadly, the Olympics is a commercial event. More about nations on a league table ....with obscene sporting resources than anything else. Does it stop me from enjoying it? No.
I agree. So why are you proud of it?? It doesn't make sense.
I said I was proud to be Chinese.
I never said I was proud of the Olympics!
I ENJOY watching it. So what?
I get to learn about 20 sports crammed in to two weeks. and I get to do it every every 4 yrs as opposed to follow something for weeks on end.
...And it just happens to be held in China this year. As a host nation, I just hope they do it well so that everyone enjoys themselves. Same as if the host nation is Greece.
Don't confuse patriotism with nationalism with fanatism. My life does not revolve a round all things must relate to "I am proud to be Chinese".
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| posted by AKA 71 days ago |
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I think France should change the names of all their athletes to "Free Tibet" or variants on the same
now that would be a good protest
yeah, yeah, yeah
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| posted by bus aunty 71 days ago (edited 71 days ago) |
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Originally posted by puyi
your postings suggest one who has little or no contact / visits to the mainland and suggest that your views of china stem from afar and tainted with an appologists attitude rather than one who is ready to debate the country
My passport has been replaced several times. Thanks.
....If you have been to that many provinces in China then you are more travelled than I am. However, I would say we have been to many more provinces than the CNN reporters and US politicians who educate the masses about China through sensationalised 10 second news grabs. The same viewers who you mention the word China and Tibet to, and they go...Oh, those goons and thugs? That bald monk in the orange and red bed linen? The cannabals that eat dog? .....The only cannabalism I know of in China today is maybe between boyfriends and girlfriends eating each other.
........I ASSUME you have spoken to and have had some/many Chinese friends? Or are your perceptions fed by looking through the prism of western media, western values, western expat circles, only? Sadly, the vast bulk of US citizens only exposure to 'Asia' is the Chinese take out shop/delivery man, Jackie Chan and CNN 'thugs and goon' news labels.
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| posted by puyi 71 days ago (edited 71 days ago) |
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and your USA passport........... why not cash it in and get the motherland one
who educate the masses through sensationalised 10 second news grabs.
yes the freedom of the press in china is wonderfoooool................
as for travelling in china as a non chinese( han ) one is often able to get a more truthful view of how the (non han )minorities feel about their rights etc in china....... so patronising to see the minorities being patted on the head and forced into photos they (han ) want or being treat like exhibits to keep the han happy and feeling superior
darren rudd is a sinophile
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| posted by Load Toad 71 days ago (edited 71 days ago) |
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What's this proud of being a nationality or from a country thing?
Do you contribute to that country? Did you do anything to make it great? Did you stop it doing something daft or bad? Are you proud of when it collectively f**ked over another country or people? Why not specialise in being proud of a certain street or house? 'I'm proud of number 15, Mount Pleasant Rd, Trentham. Born in a bed, sleep in a bed, die in a bed!'
You used to speak the truth.
But now you're clever.
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| posted by Beer Boy 71 days ago |
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Is that your house fella???
Right I am sending a crew of burglars round toneet
I take under performing to new lows...
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| posted by Load Toad 71 days ago |
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Of course it's not my house - the bastards in number 15 are a bunch of interbred half wit crooks.
No. 15, Mount Pleasant? w***ers!
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| posted by Beer Boy 71 days ago |
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Oh ok.. so you want me to send round the burglars anyway???
I take under performing to new lows...
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| posted by Load Toad 71 days ago |
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Yeah - and whilst they are their rape their women, starve their kids and do a documentary special for 60 Minutes.
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| posted by puyi 71 days ago |
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and get cnn
darren rudd is a sinophile
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| posted by Juno Watt 71 days ago |
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Originally posted by bus aunty
Don't confuse patriotism with nationalism with fanatism. My life does not revolve a round all things must relate to "I am proud to be Chinese".
It would appear to, if you went round wearing a T-shirt that said CHINESE LOUD AND PROUD.
These kind of sentiments are meaningless but are also antagonistic to other people.
Best leave such jingoism to dying governments. After all, "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", as they say.
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| posted by Gimpmask 71 days ago |
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Originally posted by Juno WattIt would appear to, if you went round wearing a T-shirt that said CHINESE LOUD AND PROUD.
These kind of sentiments are meaningless but are also antagonistic to other people.
So are "My [relative] went to [name of city] and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" T-shirts.
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| posted by puyi 71 days ago |
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my friends broke into number 15, Mount Pleasant Rd, Trentham and all they got was this lousy tshirt and 6 months
darren rudd is a sinophile
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| posted by Load Toad 71 days ago |
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I'm not sure how many athletes 15, Mount Pleasant Rd., Trentham are sending to the Olympics - but I do hope they win more medals than the USA.
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| posted by bus aunty 70 days ago (edited 70 days ago) |
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Originally posted by puyi
and your USA passport........... why not cash it in and get the motherland one
who educate the masses through sensationalised 10 second news grabs.
yes the freedom of the press in china is wonderfoooool.............
.....Ah, by fact of birth, I have a right to the other 'passport'. But I think I have replied to this enough.
As for, "the freedom of the press in china is wonderfoooool.........."
As for the US, "the freedom and fuctualness of the press in US is mickeymousifoooool........."
eg. Press releases by US government is called PR/Spin, by the Chinese gov. is called 'propaganda' bogeyman.
eg. 10,000 chinese turned up to counter the Tibet protests in Australia. The media goes on about it is believed that the Chinese government provided the buses. WTF? Who the hell cares who provided the buses. No one MADE the 10,000 Chinese volunteer supporters turn up!!!
....What you don't see by either government is what is scary, not just Chinese!!! That is due to the machinary of 'Government', not the country of the government.
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Originally posted by puyi
as for travelling in china as a non chinese( han ) one is often able to get a more truthful view of how the (non han )minorities feel about their rights etc in china....... so patronising to see the minorities being patted on the head and forced into photos they (han ) want or being treat like exhibits to keep the han happy and feeling superior
No Chinese goes a round declaring themselves as HAN when they are not.
Nor is anyone in China forced to identify themselves "Chinese" but you can't talk of your minority origins.
...Are you telling me the Chinese government is so oppressive that you as a foreigner/as a tourist/as a back packer/businessman etc was able to visit these minorities, talk to them, and then get out of the country and post on this website your thoughts from these minority regions?
And that the Chinese government violently told these people, you better dress in your minority garb and looking convincingly happy for a tourist snap? And then when you left, I wonder if these minorities went on happily with their usual traditions? Or did you just feel, 'poor them' they must be so stripped of their identity as soon as I leave?
Is this the same Chinese government bogeyman that has total control over 100 million movements of Chinese citizens worldwide? The millions of Chinese who visit HK/USA/AUST/EUROPE/UK each year must clearly ignore all BBC, ABC, TVB, CNN media?
Hey, try looking a round people. The Chinese people worldwide have spoken for themselves - don't patronize them by saying you know better and poor them because of their Communist government. They are on the whole quite supportive of how China is developing and progressing. They want their country to become even better. But it is more an issue of 'resources' and 'financial inequity' in the WORLD (which your government has a hand in) that is keeping countries/people without adequate basic 'lifestyles*'.
*Lifestyles in poorer nations being basic food, sanitory conditions, roof, education, adequate job/business.
Not Western lifestyle, where it means the Merc and second car, McMansion, food you go obese on, multinational where you screw over the other nations and then go serves you right we absolve ourselves of the responsibility because we are just end buyers/consumers, not the middle man owning the factory, and to top it all off, we have a pet or two (fine!!), but then to put in your will when I do, pls leave all my US$30M to feed my cat? ...When there are third world kids starving?!!!!!!!!
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| posted by Load Toad 70 days ago |
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Chinese in China can not watch BBC (unless they are in a 'western' style hotel) nor log onto the BBC web site. All international news is heavy handedly censored. e.g. recent reporting on the Olymoic Torch protests and Tibet shown on TVB was replaced by adverts for the duration ofthe report - or simply replaced by a black screen.
I can't see that the battle for truth and freedom of speech is advantaged by petty debates over which government or corporate news media is better or worse.
And China has never been truely communist either, neither was the soviet union - both use the elitist / centralist office which is to me fascist not communist.
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| posted by bus aunty 70 days ago (edited 70 days ago) |
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I was addressing the issue that the China government censures plenty in China. In China, you must be licensed to display foreign news. eg. SCMP newspprs are there in VERY select places.
Hence, many western media perpetuate this myth that supportive Chinese citizens are some brainwashed puppets. They are not.
Most Chinese can get their 'foreign news' elsewhere, and especially whey they, for example, visit HK, Singapore, Taiwan, USA, Australia etc. The bulk of the Chinese worldwide supporting the current state of China has been able to see such news. And China based citizens can get exposure to "non government mouth pieces" when travelling. So they know their government does stupid things sometimes, but it does not justify the CHINA BASHING or misreporting that goes on. That is what is incensing the Chinese and bringing out all this support.
In the end, there is much more progress in China than often CNN type media go on about. And bull crap reporting only keeps the tensions brewing between nationalities. That is my concern. Stop draining government resources away when governments/administrations end up spending millions of dollars on these ludricious things when there are more better priorities..
Eg. The 'hero' mentality propaganda that is perpetuated in the US media about Taiwan is getting old. USA is not saving Taiwan from Communist bogeyman. They are fanning tensions to give purpose to their sales of arms. Leave both places alone with their face saving lines....They are part of us. We are not part of them. Why have we got 20 government spokepeople dedicated to these things? And a freaking damn department working on these things in the USA and China?
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| posted by puyi 70 days ago |
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.....Ah, by fact of birth, I have a right to the other 'passport'. But I think I have replied to this enough.
Why not cash in the us passport uptakes return to a country that you were not born in, did not raise you, did not give you your education, or your freedom of expression..............
fact of birth also equates to some strange need to identify with a facial characteristic rather than identify with the culture that you were brought up in ( that is if you were raised in the usa ) ( or raised in an elite wealthy family in HK)
Ever asked mummy and daddy why you were born in the usa ???
as for the 10000 Chinese students who attended the torch relay good luck to them they had the freedom of another western democracy to do this .... Its part of the freedom of the west that allows people to exercise their free speech (however the majority were students who whilst studying in oz were assisted / directed to attend the torch relay ...I wont say coerced )
If you want to label any debate about china as china bashing then feel free to do so (it’s a freedom of speech that isn’t entitled to your countrymen)
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| posted by geraldo 70 days ago |
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Originally posted by Load Toad
Chinese in China can not watch BBC (unless they are in a 'western' style hotel) nor log onto the BBC web site. All international news is heavy handedly censored. e.g. recent reporting on the Olymoic Torch protests and Tibet shown on TVB was replaced by adverts for the duration ofthe report - or simply replaced by a black screen.
bbc website is freely accessible these days, even from sloppy 2 star hotels right in the middle of absolutely nowhere (the places I usually end up in). It hasn't been for long, and I'll try to click the torch relay stories next time, as honestly I really don't give a flying toss about a 'developing' country spending billions of dollars on flying a little flame around the planet, so I never bothered until now.
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| posted by bus aunty 70 days ago (edited 70 days ago) |
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Originally posted by puyi
Why not cash in the us passport uptakes return to a country that you were not born in, did not raise you, did not give you your education, or your freedom of expression..............
fact of birth also equates to some strange need to identify with a facial characteristic rather than identify with the culture that you were brought up in ( that is if you were raised in the usa ) ( or raised in an elite wealthy family in HK)
Ever asked mummy and daddy why you were born in the usa ???
as for the 10000 Chinese students who attended the torch relay good luck to them they had the freedom of another western democracy to do this .... Its part of the freedom of the west that allows people to exercise their free speech (however the majority were students who whilst studying in oz were assisted / directed to attend the torch relay ...I wont say coerced )
If you want to label any debate about china as china bashing then feel free to do so (it’s a freedom of speech that isn’t entitled to your countrymen)
Puyi, I would have thought freedom of expression is the Carrefour protest occuring in China? But then that is perceived by yourself as stupidity of the Chinese, right? Carrefour was chosen as a symbolic expression of the Chinese people's point of view. And the 100,000's were certainly not frog marched there by the CCP. If they got out of hand in to a riot, the Chinese supporters would also have been arrested!!
.....The Tibetan monks IN CHINA who spoke to the media after the riot was also an expression of protest/freedom of speech.
As long as there is no violence or damage of property or sentiments getting out of hand (more than protesting) = RIOT, then ALL countries bring out there security forces/authority NOT JUST CHINA. Eg. Nepal, India police were beting the Tibetan protesters after the sympathetic Tibetan rioters. But CNN said the images were taken in CHINA?!!!! WTF?
......As for my parents, I was certainly not born in a foreign country because my parents were forced out of China. Pls do not spread spurious FACTS!
.....And why does your POV start becoming an issue of elitism? I came from a rich HK family? Huh? Now, valid and worthy POV's are possessed only by people who have a certain income? Right......
I can't relate to a western world that 'educated and bought me up'? I relate only to my facial chinga, slanty eye facial characteristics?......No Puyi. I see good and bad in both cultures/countries. My opinions are never based on a COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.
I can't stand a moron in the USA who once they die gives $30M in their will to a cat when there are people dying. Nor can I stand a Chinese woman banker who paid $100million to get ball room dancing lessons. There are charities who could do much more with that to benefit man kind. eg. ORBIS.
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