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China in Hong Kong: Who were the people denying protesters their right to be heard in TST?
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| posted by The Cerne Abbas Giant 61 days ago |
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Her accent to me is very clearly a Hong Kong accent, albeit a fluent one. Either she's a local or has spent much of her formative years with people who speak English with a Hong Kong accent.
Watchu talkin' about Willis?
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| posted by bus aunty 61 days ago (edited 61 days ago) |
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The next question becomes, would the Tibetans be better off or not, as part of China as is currently the status of the area, or is it better off under another rule?
If China leaves the Tibetan region/people as a collective, seriously worse off, then I will be the first to say get lost. But the fact is they haven't.
Which is a lot more than I can say for an Australian government that after 200yrs has left Aborigines with an average lifespan of under 50. Signifincantly higher rates of incarceration, child death, infant mortality, unemployment. Less educational levels of basic literature, more health issues, and so on. That's right, this is not a survey from 20yrs ago. The stats are from today, after 200yrs.
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| posted by geraldo 61 days ago |
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where you get they would be seriously worse off?
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| posted by bus aunty 61 days ago |
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That would be completely speculative as China will not let them be independant. But all I can see is statistically from the UN and WHO that their standards of living have increased enormously. And as long as China continues this upward movement, then I can't complain.
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| posted by Load Toad 61 days ago |
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Well - you aren't Tibetan so I can quite believe it.
You used to speak the truth.
But now you're clever.
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| posted by adfundum 61 days ago |
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quote:
Originally posted by bus aunty
That would be completely speculative as China will not let them be independant. But all I can see is statistically from the UN and WHO that their standards of living have increased enormously. And as long as China continues this upward movement, then I can't complain.
You are assuming of course that China is solely responsible the increase in living standards, and that that Tibetan people would not be capable of fostering their own upward movement, making use of tourist dollars and open borders...
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The problem with instant gratification is that it takes too bloody long...
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| posted by bus aunty 61 days ago |
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 That's what the independant UN reports says on key international measures of health etc.
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| posted by Paps of Jura 61 days ago |
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Why is this BA/TB character still around rubbing all you lot up ??
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| posted by bus aunty 61 days ago |
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Matie, if it wasn't for the debate on Tibet and China going on in the world, there would be less interest. You would probably not have even heard of anything other than llamas.
And there would certainly be less infrastructure there for sure. Think Burma can afford $50 billion bucks of infrastructure?
Who knows, they may have even been taken over by someone else rather than china 50yrs ago.
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| posted by geraldo 61 days ago |
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that was 100 years ago, actually
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| posted by bus aunty 61 days ago (edited 61 days ago) |
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....poor Iraq. If there had been confirmed findings of barrels of oils in them hills of Tibet 20yrs ago, do you think Bush would only be having happy snaps with the Dalai at the moment? Or do you think he would have sent in his own made in USA army tanks by now?.....All in the name of defending the territorial right of Dalai/gov. in exile to govern his state of course.
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| posted by geraldo 61 days ago |
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careful there - you're touching base
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| posted by adfundum 61 days ago |
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quote:
Originally posted by bus aunty
That's what the independant UN reports says on key international measures of health etc.
I doubt that, and will check when I get some time....
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The problem with instant gratification is that it takes too bloody long...
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| posted by puyi 61 days ago |
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and of course the reason mao ( china ) were in a mad rush to annex xinjiang in the 1950's wasnt because of it having the only supplies of oil in the area ............
darren rudd is a sinophile
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| posted by bus aunty 61 days ago |
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ohhhh, too bad for Bush that China got in there first, ay?
...Don't worry Puyi, China will reap much costs for its transgressions....same as USA over Iraq.
How many US$ Billions has the world been deprived of now, instead of being used to fund humanitarian work?...Brand USA in bankruptcy is that what I heard?....Who has the largest debt to the UN?????
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| posted by smog 61 days ago (edited 61 days ago) |
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I'm confused by stuff like that blog. I read elsewhere, for example on Wikipedia that in 1951 the Tibetan government and the Dalai and Panchen lamas then in office (which is the same Dalai Lama as now, but a different Panchen Lama) endorsed the agreement.
This seems to me to say that China's authority over Tibet is essentially with the agreement of the Tibetan government. The difficulty seems to be over the implementation of the Seventeen Point Agreement, and this is what caused the Dalai Lama to change his mind in 1959, renounce the agreement and form a government in exile.
My understanding currently (and it evolves as I read more) is that the Dalai Lama would be happy if China were to implement the agreement as he understood it when he endorsed it. Specifically, Points 4, 5, 7 & 11 are where the Chinese authorities seem not to have done what they agreed.
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| posted by bus aunty 59 days ago |
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From what I can see, it is becoming increasingly obvious that on many popular causes, many people do not possess full knowledge, nor a balanced view, or are just getting deliberately fed the wrong info (CNN, biased bloggers). eg. Adfundum and geraldo (50yrs), Juno (independence) and Puyi (god only knows).
Time and time again this 'jump on a bandwagon do-gooder' protester thing happens on so many issues, eg. I am for human rights, for the environment, for Tibet liberation/independence/Tibet minority culture not being exterminated, etc.
And these individuals chose not to want to acknowledge many of the valid arguments nor positive aspects of the other side. And often either deliberately or ignorantly create blurry 'noise' on the issue so people just look on the surface and go, yeah, yeah good good, must be true.........
I wonder does this Ms Chan know what the heck is she on about or will she in 10yrs time be in the papers saying, 'well at that time i was a uni grad and was just going with the flow. it seemed a good idea. you know fighting for rights blah blah'.
I mean, how many times have i heard people going on about 'Give Tibet INDEPENDENCE', minority being oppressed in China, China's human rights record, etc? When half of what I see is complete b*****ks or exaggeration or complete ignorance and lack of understanding of the nuance or complicated layers of a situation. Where the F are these do-gooder protester's PRACTICAL SOLUTION, huh? Easy to shout and protest with a nice banner but get real - TALK is CHEAP and becoming cheaper by the day when i see more and more s**te spew forth in the media and the disgraceful display of b*****ks from protesters.
Get yourself real meaning in your life and do a madonna, adopt a malawi.
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| posted by Juno Watt 59 days ago |
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Originally posted by bus aunty
Where the F are these do-gooder protester's PRACTICAL SOLUTION, huh? Easy to shout and protest with a nice banner but get real - TALK is CHEAP and becoming cheaper by the day when i see more and more s**te spew forth in the media and the disgraceful display of b*****ks from protesters.
What's wrong with the Dalai Lama's practical solution of autonomy within China?
I take issue with this accusation that pro-Tibet protesters 'don't know where Tibet is on a map'. I think most of them do because many of them have been there. Even so, it's only an accusation intended to divert attention from their message, which is that most Tibetans don't want to live under a repressive regime, and something ought to be done about it.
Would you be happier if there were no protesters? Your government is doing its best to make that happen.
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