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| posted by smog 110 days ago (edited 110 days ago) |
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When it's clear to me that there are holes that the Chinese Government chooses not to fill AND is prepared to let other organisations fill, then I'll consider whether I wish to donate money to fill them. I'm not going to give money "just in case".
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| posted by mr scott 110 days ago |
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Who do you think the Chines gov are taking a lot of their advice from at the moment?
I know this one! It's fung shui masters, isn't it.
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| posted by Beer Boy 110 days ago |
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maybe it's all because we are unfeeling white guys who have little or no patriotric compulsion to what goes on in China????
I have been waiting for a couple of days for someone to throw that card on the table....
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| posted by bus aunty 110 days ago |
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It really is up to you to donate or not.
But for all those writing reasons not to donate, I am putting the case for donating.
No need to call me names for it, don't get so defensive.
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| posted by bus aunty 110 days ago |
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BB, you can give to a white cause or a yellow cause. A flood cause in USA or in Burma, or whatever. Okie dokie?
No need to give to the China cause if you don't feel there is a need. No one threw in anything about donating on the lines of racial based 'pain' for god's sake.
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| posted by Paps of Jura 110 days ago (edited 110 days ago) |
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I have to chip in my two cents here .. BB you may not think donating is for you but think about why your 'bravely battling' here .. your probably well and on your mend with excellent care because people over the years have donated to cancer charities.... I don't expect a defensive response but it's just something to consider when you poo poo donating to good causes
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| posted by Beer Boy 110 days ago |
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your probably well and on your mend with excellent care because people over the years have donated to cancer charities....
yes, including me, when I raised a quite substantial amount of $$$ for Cancer Research when my mother died...
and a cause I champion to this day...
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| posted by Beer Boy 110 days ago |
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Originally posted by bus aunty
BB, you can give to a white cause or a yellow cause. A flood cause in USA or in Burma, or whatever. Okie dokie?
No need to give to the China cause if you don't feel there is a need. No one threw in anything about donating on the lines of racial based 'pain' for god's sake.
it seems you read, but don't understand...
I made a suggestion
and then followed it with an expectation
but you have jumped all over the wrong end of the stick...well done!!!
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| posted by The Cerne Abbas Giant 110 days ago |
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The big picture is that China can cope financially in the longer term, and has done a pretty good job mobilising resources in the short term. Clearly, the opposite is the case with Myanmar on both counts.
But in my opinion in situations such as these, there are massive peaks of resources (including resources with specific skills) needed at certain points to reduce unnecessary or avoidable deaths. Aid agencies recognse this, I for one agree with them and I am more than happy to contribute on this basis.
What is not clear to me is the following. Would the China aid cynics here contribute to Myanmar cyclone relief, and would the 'Long Live China' patriots differentiate between aid to those of the same race and the utterly neglected (and no less deserving) Myanmese?
Watchu talkin' about Willis?
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| posted by smog 110 days ago |
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Originally posted by The Cerne Abbas Giant
Would the China aid cynics here contribute to Myanmar cyclone relief
If I had confidence that it could be used then yes.
(And just so people don't think I'm simply uncharitable, I do donate to charitable causes, but selectively.)
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| posted by shazza 110 days ago |
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The " 'Long Live China' patriots" in Hong Kong had given donations to different disasters in different countries in the past, although I'm sure some of them had similar thought that their money might go nowhere, thus useless to donate any.
As much as some people dislike/hate Chinese government, having a quite 3 minutes to remember the people who died isn't a political thing to many ordinary people including meself. I don't think many people did it just because the government told them to. For a long time I haven't seen such a force among Hong Kong people, it's a good opportunity to educate our children about their root and it means a lot to us patriots.
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| posted by The Crone 110 days ago |
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Just got home, too lazy to read more than this page.
When Katrina happened, did people from all over the world just cross their arms because the U.S. has lots of money?
No. People help. People help people.
As I was watching TVB Jade whilst I waited for my turn at the Chinese bone setter's office, I heard that most people were so affected because they saw, they saw the little girl crying: Mama...mama....mama....mama....they saw the pain, the grief, the tears.....in Myanmar, the govt. is not showing us their pain as much. As shallow as that sounds...when we see, we feel the pain much more.
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| posted by bus aunty 110 days ago (edited 110 days ago) |
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Originally posted by The Cerne Abbas Giant
What is not clear to me is the following. Would the China aid cynics here contribute to Myanmar cyclone relief, and would the 'Long Live China' patriots differentiate between aid to those of the same race and the utterly neglected (and no less deserving) Myanmese?
Well, I think the stats speak for themselves. The HK community gave more per capita for the Indonesia Tsunami victims than any other country. So I don't think there is any discrimination.
Of the people who donate to charity, I beleive they don't care where the people are from, they just see there is a need and hope their contribution can make a small step in getting resources their in a timely and efficient manner. And making a difference to sufferer's outcome.
Eg. Hurrican Katrina is a good example of poor use of every resource available. Burma is a good example of poor use of donation money and worldwide concern/efforts in the recent cyclone disaster...... And the only ones to suffer are the victims.
And BB, your cancer charity is a very good reason why DONATIONS to good causes should be encouraged. It does work and victims/sufferers are grateful.
So please give if you can spare your beer money this week to HK Red Cross or to whatever cause/need you see. Donating to a reputable organisation is still a good thing to be doing.
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| posted by AKA 110 days ago (edited 109 days ago) |
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spare the beer money?
edit much?
self-censorship?
can't make up your mind?
professional ranter?
troll? Yes that's it
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| posted by adfundum 109 days ago |
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BuS AUNTY> is your CAPS LOCK stuck? Kindly un-stick it, or would you like my assistance in eliminating your CAPS problem?
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Even sick puppies need love...
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| posted by The Cerne Abbas Giant 109 days ago (edited 109 days ago) |
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Originally posted by bus aunty
quote:
Originally posted by The Cerne Abbas Giant
What is not clear to me is the following. Would the China aid cynics here contribute to Myanmar cyclone relief, and would the 'Long Live China' patriots differentiate between aid to those of the same race and the utterly neglected (and no less deserving) Myanmese?
Well, I think the stats speak for themselves. The HK community gave more per capita for the Indonesia Tsunami victims than any other country. So I don't think there is any discrimination.
Really? Can you please give me a authoratative source for this. I'd be happy for you to be proved right, but I'd find it very surprising. And the 'per capita' thing also includes government donations I would think. Hardly an indication of the man in the street's feelings when the man in the street doesn't get to vote on how his money is spent.
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Originally posted by shazza
The " 'Long Live China' patriots" in Hong Kong had given donations to different disasters in different countries in the past, although I'm sure some of them had similar thought that their money might go nowhere, thus useless to donate any.
As much as some people dislike/hate Chinese government, having a quite 3 minutes to remember the people who died isn't a political thing to many ordinary people including meself. I don't think many people did it just because the government told them to. For a long time I haven't seen such a force among Hong Kong people, it's a good opportunity to educate our children about their root and it means a lot to us patriots.
No problem people taking time to reflect. In fact I agree this is absolutely a good thing. it's very easy for people to drift along in cynicism and complacency, and find excuses for doing and giving nothing.
However, the 'Long Live China' b*****ks really got up my nose. Why turn a human tragedy into a nationalist rally? Imagine if crowds in London were in the streets chanting 'Eng-ger-lund!' after (say) the July bombings. Just wouldn't be right.
Watchu talkin' about Willis?
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| posted by The Cerne Abbas Giant 109 days ago |
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Wow BB. Interesting stuff. There's a huge disparity there. So I reckon by that chart HK would have to have contributed > US$250m for Bus Aunty's stat to have any credence whatsover.
Hmm...
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