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| posted by 2hot2handle 52 days ago |
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arrested by icac due to accepting bribes, the fookwits do these guys not learn anything.......few 1000's dollars and they are without job, probably never able to rejoin the same field of work ever again.
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| posted by Gimpmask 52 days ago |
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Has anyone ever made you an offer?
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| posted by 2hot2handle 52 days ago |
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i dont put myself up to these things, and so if ever i feel any slight direction from a supplier which may be suggestive i end the converstaion abruptly.
however directly i have never been offered anything and i feel happy with that, i would not want to fall in between such a maz and risk all for a few louzy $$
I did get however from some suppliers sometimes a xmas hamper or so...........which i dont know anymore now what to do with, should i refuse those for being scared of getting arrested over it?
Ex Freak on a Leash & Killer Tomato Soup, sorry but had to change as was being chased down by the spelling bee masterchampionships
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| posted by Juno Watt 52 days ago |
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Do you ever bribe customers not to report you to the FEHD?
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| posted by The Cerne Abbas Giant 52 days ago (edited 52 days ago) |
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Chef, I don't think it does your employer's business any good at all for you to accept Christmas hampers. Why would you accept except for personal gain?
Just say no!
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| posted by Shadowblade 52 days ago |
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Hampers are usually a gratitude for your business. Unless the hamper has roll of cash hidden in it, hampers are still acceptable in legal regards
Some mofos always try to ice skate uphill....
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| posted by ServerGuy 52 days ago |
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I often get hampers from suppliers at christmas, I then split the contents with the office.
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| posted by The Cerne Abbas Giant 52 days ago |
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This is very common SG and I take your point, but if the statement had read, 'I often get cash envelopes from suppliers at Christmas, I then split the contents with the office.' it would be both illegal and not in the commercial interests of your company.
I think this kind of gift giving generally impedes, rather than facilitates, proper business relationships.
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| posted by 2hot2handle 52 days ago |
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honestly i'd rather get nbothing at all, then get a hamper and risk my job.
however its very very very unclear whats accepteable in that regards nowadays. last year i asked my boss if i may or may not accept, not that his descision is above the law, but what is the law here and are we starting to micro monitor this?
i would be verey interested to know what we are actually talking about here, but as with previous cases, not much gets into the news, as to what, where, who and how much.
Ex Freak on a Leash & Killer Tomato Soup, sorry but had to change as was being chased down by the spelling bee masterchampionships
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| posted by Gimpmask 52 days ago |
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Actually, chef, if your employer knows and consents to you receiving the hamper, then it is not a bribe. The best thing to do is to inform them. If they say no, then refuse the gift.
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| posted by Shadowblade 52 days ago |
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Since the case is not on trial yet, much detials will be witheld at the current time. It's likely about kickbacks between suppliers and chefs.
As for hampers, they are like flowers except they are edible. As far as ICAC's concern, they have no interest in finding any evidents from anyone's bowels
Some mofos always try to ice skate uphill....
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| posted by Gimpmask 52 days ago |
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I wouldn't be so sure, Shadowblade. I think the value of the "gift" is important too. Trips abroad or expensive bottles of wine could still constitute a bribe if accepted without the consent of employers.
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| posted by Load Toad 52 days ago |
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Bribes are paid before; comissions (and hampers) are paid after.
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| posted by The Cerne Abbas Giant 52 days ago |
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How about karaoke and hookers? When and how should I ask for those?
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| posted by Load Toad 52 days ago |
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Before with a lesser amount later - for appearances sake.
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| posted by Leonn 52 days ago |
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Money changing hands is always a NO-NO. It's corruption plain and simple.
But how about buying a buyer lunch or dinner ?
In HK it is common for buyers (especially lowly employees) to ask for 'entertainment' before the payment is settled ?
How about the end of year demand for 'lucky draw prizes' ? If you are a supplier you get those emails just before Xmas and CNY. "Please supply some prize for our annual staff dinner".
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| posted by Load Toad 52 days ago |
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It becomes corrupt when a payment is specifically made to gain advantage that otherwise doesn't exist. So if I buy a client dinner or such that's OK; we have to eat, we have to talk, we need to discuss stuff. If I pay him to give me the order that's B treble Oh. If we agree that he gets a commission after the order is placed, delivered and paid for in full then that's a bit of a grey area - it depends what his 'job' is supposed to be . I get paid commissions for some business but the %C isn't the deciding factor - that's my payment for my services.
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| posted by 2hot2handle 52 days ago |
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i think however that most these things only happen with people who are NOT in charge of purchasing
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| posted by Load Toad 52 days ago |
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Depends on the culture of the company - working with some companies I've found the technicians (or production), the purchasing people and senior managers will try to be Mr10% but other companies are pretty much clean - usually if the salaries are low but the material values are high then the staff will be tempted to look for an advantage.
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| posted by AKA 52 days ago |
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I often wonder about the ICAC and what is the point of it
does it mean HK is squeaky clean?
My arse it does
yeah, yeah, yeah
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| posted by Leonn 52 days ago |
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That does not make sense. It's a tit-for-tat situation: you pay something to get something. And you pay the people who are
in a position to make a decision. And that -per definition- are those who buy/ purchase.
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