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| posted by hkJay 75 days ago |
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Anyone had any experience or got any knowledge about UK/Philippine dual nationality?
[sarcasm]Surprisingly[/sarcasm], the www.gov.phil website isn't loading and there doesn't seem to be many resources specifically on this...
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| posted by geraldo 75 days ago |
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probably officially not allowed for adults. Just keep 'm both, we've done that for the little one (allthough 2 different countries) and it still works. Probably will do it for the not that little one in a few months time as well.
I think you sign a doc on the Belgian consulate which makes you declare you do not hold any other passport. Only administration caring about this is Belgium, anyone else wouldn't give a fly about it
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| posted by hkJay 75 days ago |
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Hey Geraldo, had a look around. It appears that it's ok to hold UK/other nationality joint citizenship, and now, if 1 parent is a Philippine citizen, then the kids are allowed Philippine/other dual nationality.....bummer!
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| posted by smog 75 days ago (edited 75 days ago) |
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I'm not aware of any problem with kids holding UK/Phils joint citizenship. Personally were Mrs smog and I to have a child we'd probably arrange for it to be born in the UK solely on the grounds that a UK passport is a more useful travel document than a Philippines one and by doing this our grandchildren at least would also be entitled to them by descent. I can't see how a child of a Philippines citizen born outside The Philippines could be required to take a Philippines passport unless they would otherwise be stateless.
I did consider the possibility of taking on Philippines dual nationality myself, but I couldn't really see any advantage (apart from visa-free access to a few ASEAN countries that I need one for on a UK passport), and there seem to be significant tax disadvantages (although the Phils government websites are, as you say, not the clearest in the world).
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| posted by hkJay 75 days ago |
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Kids both have UK passports which we got here in HKG without any problem at all. Mrs. HkJay wants them to get Ph passports. I don't see this as a problem, but I think if they were in PI and any problems occurred, which they DO in PI, I would prefer them to be protected by their UK nationality and have consular assistance. IF they take up PI nationality and enter PI on that passport, I think they are not entitled to assistance from the UK consulate.
This aside, it's quite useful for them, in that they can acquire property in the Philippines, work there easily, etc....However, any property they might acquire through fambly is in Gubat - and is more likely to depreciate in value than gain....
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| posted by hkJay 75 days ago |
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This aside, Mrs. HkJay said she had to pay P5,000 for the kids to enter the Phils on their UK passports when they last visited...Seems a bit steep.....What is this? An ARRIVAL TAX? A CON by customs?
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| posted by smog 75 days ago (edited 75 days ago) |
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Assuming that they were not born in The Philippines then I think that's a scam, and you should probably consult the British Consulate to get their support in avoiding an entry tax on UK citizens. They can always take Philippines nationality later if it would be useful to them.
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Although having said that, the Philippines law does apparently say that a child of a Filipino citizen is a Filipino citizen (ad infinitum apparently, regardless of place of birth). See http://www.gov.ph/faqs/dualcitizenship.asp so the British Consulate might not be able to offer protection in any case. You should probably consult with them on this. It isn't clear to me that a parent can renounce Filipino citizenship on behalf of a minor child either.
Thanks for highlighting this. It gives me a lot of things to think about...
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| posted by hkJay 75 days ago |
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Smog - it's been bugging me for some time!
You're right in that the kids get the PI citizenship if one of the parents is a PI citizen - but I think that unless you apply for that citizenship, and get the ppt, then the kids should be considered non-PI citizens up to the point of a successful application, and thereafter the issue to them of a PI passport.....
Time to start poking around the minds of a few foreigners in the PI for some thoughts on this subject!
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| posted by smog 75 days ago |
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A passport is a travel document - not a "citizenship certificate". Most people in most countries never have a passport but they are still citizens.
I'm with you on the desired end result (get the kids to be (solely) UK citizens now and let them decide later if they want to retake Filipino citizenship) I'm just not sure of the best route to achieving it at this point.
Prior to the birth of kids you have the other option of the mother renouncing Filipino citizenship, but that is only possible if she has some other one available to her, which in your (and my) case I guess she doesn't, unless you have lived in the UK for 3 years since you were married.
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| posted by admux 75 days ago |
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my kids have both phil / uk passports....no issues with applying for both
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| posted by hkJay 75 days ago |
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Smog - agreed on 'citizenship cert" point.
Don't think Mrs. HkJay will ever renounce PI citizenship (this is probably extremely rare for any PI citizen - unless you're related to the Marcos or Estrada family and are currently on the run)....
Further, I don't ever expect Mrs. HkJay would ever acclimatise to the pleasant environs or Warrington, Wigan or the likes.
This issue needs further looking into for the sake of any trust which may be in the kids names - will it become taxable in PI? Probably, yes, if the gov't can get hands on a portion of said trust..... 
Anyhow, enough on this.....I'll get a reply from the 'pines hopefully!
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| posted by hkJay 75 days ago |
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admux - yes, it's easy to have both and it's accepted by both countries.....it's what one is/isn't entitled to from both under certain circumstances that I'm wondering about...
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| posted by smog 75 days ago |
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Originally posted by hkJay
Don't think Mrs. HkJay will ever renounce PI citizenship (this is probably extremely rare for any PI citizen
Well no - that was the whole point of the constitutional amendment that the link I gave above talks about. Prior to this Philippine law forbade dual nationality, so many Filipinos renounced their citizenship in order to naturalize in other countries. Now they no longer need to do so.
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| posted by sunwaterandsky 75 days ago |
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The other issue with any dual nationality is that you can be conscripted into their national army/navy or whatever.
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| posted by Load Toad 75 days ago |
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Should be interesting for the next UK V Philippines war that.
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| posted by hkJay 75 days ago |
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Originally posted by Load Toad
Should be interesting for the next UK V Philippines war that.
That's been ongoing for some time now - at least in my building.....
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