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| posted by jesswill 69 days ago |
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How do you state your current salary and your expected salary in the covering letter when it is requested in the advertisement?
On the matter of the current salary should you express the fact that British salaries are a lot higher than the equivalent local salary for the same job? As for the expected salary how do you evaluate what you should put down (should you even put down an actual amount?) Even if you've researched the area and have an idea how much the job should be paying, I'm thinking that if you put something too low you'll shoot yourself in the foot or too high and you run the risk of being eliminated on salary alone...
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| posted by Nasdaq_Index 69 days ago (edited 69 days ago) |
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You can put down your current salary (if its going to an HR person, and really have to), but not the expected one.
You should emphasis how (i) seriously you want to the role, and (ii) can add value to the company. everything else should be discussed during the meeting.if you disclose to much info, then why would they want to meet you?
Your CV should be enough as an initial intro, they would definitely want to see you if they like you CV.
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| posted by 2hot2handle 69 days ago |
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i would never disclose current nor expected salary, after all thy also dont advertise expected givn salary right?
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| posted by jesswill 69 days ago |
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I agree with you but they are asking for it in the ad so should I just ignore it and say something like "I'm flexible let's discuss it later"? They might be annoyed that I'm just dodging the question (when they have specifically requested it)
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| posted by smog 69 days ago |
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I agree with N_I. You need to wait for them to tell you what they think is the rate for the job. You should try very hard not to be the first to mention a figure.
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| posted by Load Toad 69 days ago |
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Look at it like this - if they won't say how much they want to pay why should you say how much you want to earn? Sell yourself on being able and wanting the job. Salary these days is only part of the deal so it says a lot about the company advertising the job they they've put in the ad something without thinking....which you can point out to them - nicely during the interview.
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| posted by jesswill 69 days ago |
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Ok, I understand what you are all saying but here is the bit of the ad where it requests a salary:
"Please send your application letter, CV with current and expected salary and date of availability to..."
If I don't put it in, will I not just be automatically be eliminated?
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| posted by smog 69 days ago |
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Not if your CV and cover letter are good enough.
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| posted by Load Toad 69 days ago |
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with current and expected salary
That's a w**k thing to ask that is - I'd leave it out as otherwise you are trying to second guess what they are hoping to read. Just put - happy to discuss when we meet.
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| posted by T Bone 69 days ago (edited 69 days ago) |
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Originally posted by Load Toad
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with current and expected salary
That's a w**k thing to ask that is - I'd leave it out as otherwise you are trying to second guess what they are hoping to read. Just put - happy to discuss when we meet.
Happy to discuss when we meet... okay.. this is good, right?
..so what about afterwards... ??
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| posted by jesswill 69 days ago |
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Afterwards is easier because you are discussing the issue face to face with the recruiter.
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| posted by hongkonger 69 days ago |
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Originally posted by jesswill
Ok, I understand what you are all saying but here is the bit of the ad where it requests a salary:
"Please send your application letter, CV with current and expected salary and date of availability to..."
If I don't put it in, will I not just be automatically be eliminated?
w**k or not it is local practice, and it sucks so what? Applicants can't or don't provide the minmum info as requested would be binned (duh!) If and thats a big IF, HR have nothing else to do they might waste their time to contact the applicant requesting questions stated in the advert, but most likely not........... my 2 cents.
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| posted by Load Toad 69 days ago (edited 69 days ago) |
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b*****ks. If the salary issue is so important:
- It's for a menial job
- They should stipulate the salary band in the advert
Can't really imagine jesswill is applying to sell second hand cars or such so if their s**t hot HR dept can't put the salary part of the package in the ad then why should she esp. if she is applying for a HK based job though she currently works in UK? There are too many variable there to sum up in 'I earn a shed load and I would work for half a cow and a packet of M&Ms.'
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If and thats a big IF, HR have nothing else to do they might waste their time to contact the applicant requesting questions stated in the advert, but most likely not...........
That's when you end up with s**t staff and a s**t company. HR was so much better when it was 'Personnel Dept'.
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| posted by tiger lily 69 days ago (edited 69 days ago) |
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Just a suggestion Jess:
it is not unusual in North America to ask expected salary. ( they would ask you at the interview anyway if they find your CV applicable. You better be prepared.)
You should find out the salary range from other sources. Quote your own desire within the range, not the exact figure.
You can say $$ to start .
When at the interview you can mention if there would be a probation period ie. 3 month or 6 month meaning you should get a rise if they decide to keep you and /or you wish to stay with them after the probation period.
Of course they look at your past experience and qualification that would be the reason they hire you . The salary range is also for them to group potential interviewee and to see how much you know about the business.
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| posted by skinny 68 days ago |
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jess, if the ad was scripted that way, it is very possible that the position has a designated salary range, and they want to know your current and expected salary so that they can screen out applicants who are out of range, say the range is 20K to 40K and the applicant current is 45K and asking for 50K. it's just an easy and lazy way for the first screening process. and sometimes, save time for both the company and the applicants. yes, i've posted ads like this many many times.
i'll tell you what i'll do if i read applications that don't tell me "current and expected salary and date of availability....", i don't bin them, i will still read them, and if the applicants' qualifications and experience for the job, i'd ask my staff to call them and ask verbally, and then continue the screening process. it takes longer this way, but at least i'm sure all possible candidates are considered.
so why the HR people do such a thing and not just let the line-manager/supervisor interview them directly and be done with it? because a lot of the time, line manager/supervisor doesn't care what the company pays, they just want the best candidate and some best candidates cost too much, and when HR has to tell them they can't hire so-and-so perfect candidate, everybody gets upset. so that hateful HR department is there to do the dirty work.
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| posted by puyi 68 days ago |
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its business.... payless make more profit from similar ability
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| posted by adfundum 68 days ago |
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Originally posted by jesswill
Ok, I understand what you are all saying but here is the bit of the ad where it requests a salary:
"Please send your application letter, CV with current and expected salary and date of availability to..."
If I don't put it in, will I not just be automatically be eliminated?
To be frank, I also hate it when expected salaries are being asked in the ad.
However, also sitting on the other side of the table on a regular basis; we have a budget for most positions (Benchmarking, the HR weenies call it), and if your current/expected salary exceeds that budget by a significant amount, then further discussions may well be a waste of both of our time.
I can understand the reluctance to disclose current/expected salaries, but your CV may be quickly binned if you fail to provide the requested info, unless it stands out a mile...
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| posted by test 68 days ago |
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Lets put the shoe on the other foot, why don't employers post a salary range first for the position in the ad instead of wasting my time, effort and money sending them my resume?
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| posted by Load Toad 68 days ago |
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Exactly.
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| posted by Lola 68 days ago |
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Agree. I hate playing the 'expected salary' game as much as I hate playing the 'what rent will you offer the landlord' game.
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| posted by adfundum 68 days ago |
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Originally posted by test
Lets put the shoe on the other foot, why don't employers post a salary range first for the position in the ad instead of wasting my time, effort and money sending them my resume?
From a personal point of view, I fully agree. Some employers do actually publish a range, which is helpful.
From a professional point of view, I would also agree, as it weeds out the applicants who refuse to work for the "benchmarked" pittance that our organization offers.
Good luck trying to explain that to the HR dept though. I have given up...
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