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| posted by Justin Credible 1194 days ago |
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is a bad apple ever gonna be good?
According to FBI national crime statistics available online, a dozen children aged 9 to 12 committed murders in 2003 and 26 killed people in 2002.
In 2001, Lionel Tate, 14, became the youngest person in modern U.S. history to be sentenced to life in prison, after being convicted of killing 6-year-old Tiffany Eunick in Florida. He was 12 at the time of the killing in 1999.
He won a new trial on appeal and went free in January 2004 under a deal that placed him under house arrest for a year followed by probation for 10 years. Now 18, he was arrested May 23 on charges of holding up a pizza delivery man at gunpoint.
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| posted by Azrael 1194 days ago |
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Possibly...
In his autobiography, Jimmy Boyle relates his life as the archetypal Glaswegian nutter - but with extra extreme violence! Reputed to be Scotland's most violent criminal, he's in & out of prison most of his life, and despite the beatings and abuse he receives, he will not be broken. He even covers himself in his own faeces at one point, before challenging the screws.
It's only after many years of this, that the authorities try a different strategy - one of inclusion, rather than confrontation and force. This completely messes with Boyle's head, and turns him into a normal, rational human being. One or two of his fellow inmates couldn't handle the new treatment, and asked to be transferred back to regular prison...but it completely changes Boyle.
So yes, a bad apple can become good again...but it might take some time.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. 
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| posted by life 1194 days ago |
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As I stated before, a "Jim Jones" should be performed on the prison systems in the world. I find it hard to believe that anyone can be changed. Once you have lost control, then that is it.
I'm bored, I'm pi*sy, and, I have no shame.
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| posted by barbie 1194 days ago |
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I don't know if there's a 'cut off' point (age wise), but Behaviourist Psychology certainly works for kids on Behaviour Modification programmes....
The point is though, the 'acceptable' behaviour is rewarded and the 'unacceptable'totally ignored.
So it goes 'Stimulus, Response, Reward....
I've witnessed it have incredible changes with kids behaviour...which is where it should be happening...
If it's more than just a behaviour problem ..ie Sociopathic behaviours, Oppositional Defiance Disorders....then no, long term 'change' hardly happens.
It's drugs and therapy and coping mechanisms...
I wait for the day when schools have all the funding they need and the airforce has to have a cake stall to raise money for a new bomber.
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| posted by sunwaterandsky 1194 days ago |
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Behavioural techniques work really well on simple behaviour patterns, but often fail, or are difficult to apply effectively with more complex behaviours. With children - the success is often linked to the behaviours being newer and not so ingrained and also being in an environment (school and or home) where a high level of control is possible.
Prison is another example of a highly controlled environment, but the other inmates will often put an end to any positive change.
So.... catch them young, intervene early and prepare for the worst.
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| posted by barbie 1194 days ago |
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Yes, I agree SW and S!!
I wait for the day when schools have all the funding they need and the airforce has to have a cake stall to raise money for a new bomber.
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| posted by npg 1194 days ago |
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barbie...what you mentioned above reminded me of that horse whisperer guy...horses do a similar thing as well......when a horse has done something wrong regarding the pecking order etc, the head female horse actually seperates the wrong doer from the pack, and after some period of time the horse is allowed back in. horses apparently don't like being alienated...bit like us humans.
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| posted by barbie 1194 days ago |
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Yes, interesting isn't it npg? One of the pack becomes responsible for changing behaviour.
I wait for the day when schools have all the funding they need and the airforce has to have a cake stall to raise money for a new bomber.
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