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| posted by life 1157 days ago |
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Serious question here. I am asking just in case my Political / Government classes were flawed.
Can someone please explain the root cause of terrorism today. Then knowing the cause, give a suggestion for ending terrorism. Because honestly speaking, the mess that world leaders create on a day to day basis for sometimes private gain, just is not cutting it. IMHO.
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| posted by God de Vader 1157 days ago |
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the root cause? arms sales....jealousy....religion....stupidity....
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| posted by HKBloke 1157 days ago |
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the root cause is total and utter hatred of the West. The big question is what caused that hatred.
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| posted by Waterslang 1157 days ago |
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In a few words imo:
Poverty and exploitation.
Ending it? Fight poverty and exploitation. When people can look ahead to a better future they will not be tempted to go kill or become suicide bombers. Today they have nothing to lose as they have no life to live.
There are of course also more complicated explanations, trying to put all the blame on them. The "war on terror" is fought the wrong way, so the West is losing that one and doesn't see it!
My opinion only.
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| posted by Gum Tree 1157 days ago |
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I disagree with all of the above (quelle surprise! - thanks ws for spelling).
I think the top guys are in it solely for the power of manipulating people. I liken them to hackers who try to manipulate eg, banking or utility companies, just coz they can.
The middle guys are maybe idealogues or just disaffected with their own upbringing and so are looking for someone to blame for their own probs.
The bottom guys? The ones who kill themselves? I reckon they are sick, sick, sick. And have been manipulated by the above. They are sometimes recruited from impoverished environments but many are from reasonably well-off families. The poverty comes in, coz these people are not treated medically and educationally within the state and they are not treated before they do damage. It is a societal poverty that ignores the mentally ill and just refuses to acknowledge them.
I don't think there is any real political cause for this - the hatred of the West idea is actually a hatred of societies where some people fit in and others don't. And that is the general catch-cry of all mentally challenged people. They never feel they belong anywhere. If you know the Port Arthur (Tasmania, Aust) massacre, you can see exactly the same mentality happening.
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| posted by life 1157 days ago |
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I by no means support any acts of terrorism.
Okay so then we can all agree than the West in some form or fashion is to be blamed for terrorism in the world today. We can all agree that the deliberate undermining of foreign govts that has lead over the years to the deaths of people who have never done anything to these western governments (or people) have occurred. Now granted in reality, the only people who can change the govt are its citizens. Granted in reality most people are content with their lives and as such are not actively involved in politics. So, just how, would a person, who has lead a chaotic life, in a chaotic environment, get the world to listen and due the right thing?
9/11 should have been the wake up call and brought about the need to change foreign policies so that the people affected by western bullies could be heard. Instead, it allowed the US, to bully some more.. thus fueling the fans of hatred and only causing more destruction. Until our govts. quit being bastards, terrorism will always be there. Unfortunately the true rouges who cause this chaos never stand trial, or feel the weight of their actions. It is the common people who pay the price.
Unfortunately through well prepared and constructed speeches, world leaders are able to have the masses look past the root cause, so they can further bully and oppress.
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| posted by life 1157 days ago |
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But GT there is political cause for all of this.
Let us first take Palestine for an example. You have people who return to your land and are given it by GB, who was quite capable of creating a spot for Jewish people in England or hell Ireland if they so chose. You are removed forcibly with no compensation, and you are expected to shut up and put up with it. No-one supports you, or cares that you have been displaced so you start a movement and begin fighting. That is not working, so then you decide to target the people who have the ability to make a difference. The common everyday people, who have the ability to elect leaders who do not want to run you into the sea. By all definitions you are a terrorist, but in reality you are also fighting for your freedom.
Vietnam: So the French began it, could not contain it, called in the Brits, who called in the American’s. The French and the Brits both withdraw leaving the US holding the cookie jar. All because some people didn’t like they way they wanted to run their own govt. Luckily for the world, it was contained in Asia.
The fact of the matter is, wars and conflicts that in the past were maintained on foreign soil, have now been transported to affect everyday people.
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| posted by Waterslang 1157 days ago |
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On the same frequency with Life.
Am not trying to mix-up things but calling the "bottom guys" simply sick persons is just what the statements of Blair, Bush or La Crice continue to pump into our heads.
Who or what was the root cause for WW2 BTW?
Hitler? Not in my book: the way the Germans were treated after "La grande guerre" was the root cause. Hitler just used it smartly and got legally elected by the German people. Same basics.
He promised them a better life after the catastrophy of the Versailles Treaty.
Versailles was the root cause for WW2!
The treatment the ME received from the West and Israel over the last 100 even 60 years is the root cause for our troubles today.
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| posted by Gum Tree 1157 days ago |
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Do you know, Life, I think that the key thing to getting rid of terrorism is the empowering of women and, in particular, the empowering of mothers to seek and gain health treatment for their sons.
Although I would never disparage fathers, it is fairly well-recognised that the first people to see disturbance in people is their mothers. But if the society, the fathers, the medical system isn't there to help the mothers support their children to overcome problems, then I don't think the world will rid itself of these sick people who commit suicide. In Oz (I think in most developed countries), it is well-recognised that young males - 15-25 yrs old - are more likely to commit suicide than any other demographic. Mothers would recognise this. If only they can get societal and familial support to prevent this!
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| posted by npg 1157 days ago |
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i think poverty and lack of solid education combined with extreme religion. couple that with certain world leaders and their immediate under-lings who have certain political and business/financial agendas with a lust for power.
the arab/muslim extremists aren't stupid.....they have watched the west meddle with their countries for the last 90 years. proping up certain regimes for the advantages of the west and backing israel full tilt.
as i see it...there is no solution besides extremination of the human race.
there are too few with so much, holding the cards and too many with so little.
i personally think the "too few" really are aiming for global supremacy whether it be through political or business domination or most likely, both!
history shows us that there are a few amongst us mortals that think they are or can be 'gods'
we're all part of a big machine.
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| posted by HKBloke 1157 days ago |
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Point of fact - Don't recall the French ever calling the Brits into Vietnam - i thought we agreed to help govern it after the 2nd world war but then the french said they wanted another go which all went horribly wrong at Dien Bien Phu.....Communist state formed at which point the Americand start to get involved.
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| posted by Waterslang 1157 days ago |
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Frenchies talked the USA into it. Brits already were leaving Malaysia and didn't want to get involved. They probably helped the Frenchies to convince the USA. Times have changed, haven't they Bloke?
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| posted by Gum Tree 1157 days ago |
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npg - we are all part of the big machine, but most of us deal with people who are far removed from the top. There is "people power" all over the world, but at the risk of sounding violently feminist, it is women who activate it. Why? Coz women are looking after families in most countries, they work in schools, they know how to network and have time to do it. If the women are empowered to have a voice in society, their voice would be one of tolerance and understanding and fellowship and support. Yes, there are exceptions in the highest echelons of power, but at the grass roots level, it works. A pity it isn't on the agenda anymore ....
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| posted by life 1157 days ago |
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GT I agree with you 100%. If women were empowered a lot of the crap that happens would not. But then again, poverty and lack of education (as stated by npg) also play a huge part.
The only problem now is, if you agree to demands it means that this is (terrorism) the new age bargaining tool. In effect, we are caught between a rock and a hard place. You can not bow to the pressures of terrorism, so then how do you make amends.
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| posted by Gum Tree 1157 days ago |
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I think you sort of ignore the terrorism and deal with the root cause and be prepared for years of problems in between. Sometimes things just can't be "fixed" immediately.
Like the story I posted about homosexual rape in Africa - the root of that problem is that the culture chooses not to admit it IS a problem, so nothing is done. Same in the Middle East. They may be beginning to recognise that terrorist activity has its roots in how they behave towards each other, but they fail recognise that what is happening is that their sons (mostly) and daughters (sometimes) are killing themselves. I mean, what parent thinks this is OK???? No mother I would guess, and the poor fathers have to sometimes pretend it is OK, coz of their place in society. But I bet they are bleeding inside.
We need to give a voice and a support for parents who see their kids being taken in by this sh*t. The assumption in the west is that parents agree, but I would take bets that if you approach these parents with the question: are you happy to see your child die? they would honestly respond, no. If only given the chance to express their real feelings.
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| posted by barbie 1157 days ago |
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Actually GT, I saw part of a news programme once where mothers in chadors (black veil) saying how proud they were of their 'suicide bomber' sons and how they would be welcomed with open arms by Allah.
I think we interpret events through 'our eyes'.
I wait for the day when schools have all the funding they need and the airforce has to have a cake stall to raise money for a new bomber.
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| posted by barbie 1157 days ago |
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btw, they certainly didn't look like they were saying it for a 'news team'
They were just as fanatical as any others you see on TV when the angry hordes appear!
I wait for the day when schools have all the funding they need and the airforce has to have a cake stall to raise money for a new bomber.
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| posted by Gum Tree 1157 days ago |
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Barbie, if your child died doing this stuff, the only thing you can do to support them is to say that you are proud of them. I cannot imagine a mother, going public in any way, who would say "that bastard child of mine, how could they do this? I hate what they did!". I know mothers/fathers who had children who committed suicide - they always spoke in glowing terms about them. I think it is just the straws they grasp at, not a reality.
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| posted by barbie 1157 days ago |
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I think something that needs to be started , is to stop referring to them as 'terrorists' which seems to be an accepted term by them, and simply refer to these attacks as 'mass murders'. Trying to change a mindset starts with changing names. The term 'terrorist' was coined in the '70's and is seen 'cool', eg, Bader Meinhoff, one of the first terrorist organisations were seen around the world as somewhat 'elite' to start off with.
Then to stop referring to them as 'Al Quaeda' and start referring to them as 'Murderers claiming to be Islamists'.
They can call themselves what they like, countries attacked by them should begin to refer to them by names that call them exactly what they are.
I wait for the day when schools have all the funding they need and the airforce has to have a cake stall to raise money for a new bomber.
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| posted by Gum Tree 1157 days ago |
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yes - agree, language is so important. Calling a spade, a spade can be so effective. I think that is why I liked Condi's interview so much. She called them 'not normal' and I think she was right.
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| posted by life 1157 days ago |
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barbie, you made a good point with the terminology.
GT I once heard / read that young male todlers are taken from their mothers and raised by men. As a result they have no empathy for women in general. These women (at least some) have no feelings whatsoever for anyone in some cases. Take for instance cases where families tie cinder blocks to their daughters and push them into swimming pools. THe mothers take equal part in it.
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